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[ORT-L] pelvic # with urethral injury

 

 


rajesh84 at asianetindia
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Aug 23, 2005, 9:11 AM

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Hi,
I would greatly appreciate some advice.

25 yr old male who fell from a height 6 days ago and was treated in a
peripheral hospital initially has been transferred to our hospital today.he
had a supra pubic catheter inserted for urethral injury on the day of injury
but nothing else has been done so far.

He is stable at present.. His main injury is the vertically unstable right
sided injury involving superior and inferior rami and a # through the iliac
side of the sacro-iliac joint on the same side.He also has undisplaced
radial neck # on the riht side.No spine injury and no abdominal or thoracic
injury.Long bones ok.

I will arrange for some CT as soon as possible.i am sending some xrays .My
pelvic # surgical experience is limited to plating a few pubic rami #s and a
few simple column #s while i was working with a pelvic # surgeon (about 3
yrs ago),so I could do with some advice as to what to do next.

Thanks for your input.

Mr.K.R.Rajesh,MS,DNB,FRCS,FRCS(Orth)
Consultant Upper Limb Surgeon,
Division of Upper Limb & Joint Replacement Surgery.
Cosmopolitan Hospital,
Trivandrum,Kerala,
India.
Mobile-9847350160
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ti.george at gmail
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Aug 23, 2005, 9:59 AM

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Rajesh,
If it was day 1, I would have tried to force my Urology colleague to avoid
a SPC and do a transurethral catheter and primary repair(not an easy task to
convince an urologist to do an emergency urethral repair when they are all
busy with elctive lists). Now with an SPC almost one week old, I think you
are forced to probably have only an ex fix and avoid a plate anteriorly.
Best of luck.
Dr T I George

On 8/23/05, Rajesh <rajesh84@asianetindia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I would greatly appreciate some advice.
>
> 25 yr old male who fell from a height 6 days ago and was treated in a
> peripheral hospital initially has been transferred to our hospital
> today.he
> had a supra pubic catheter inserted for urethral injury on the day of
> injury
> but nothing else has been done so far.
>
> He is stable at present.. His main injury is the vertically unstable right
> sided injury involving superior and inferior rami and a # through the
> iliac
> side of the sacro-iliac joint on the same side.He also has undisplaced
> radial neck # on the riht side.No spine injury and no abdominal or
> thoracic
> injury.Long bones ok.
>
> I will arrange for some CT as soon as possible.i am sending some xrays .My
> pelvic # surgical experience is limited to plating a few pubic rami #s and
> a
> few simple column #s while i was working with a pelvic # surgeon (about 3
> yrs ago),so I could do with some advice as to what to do next.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Mr.K.R.Rajesh,MS,DNB,FRCS,FRCS(Orth)
> Consultant Upper Limb Surgeon,
> Division of Upper Limb & Joint Replacement Surgery.
> Cosmopolitan Hospital,
> Trivandrum,Kerala,
> India.
> Mobile-9847350160
>
>
>


rajesh84 at asianetindia
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Aug 23, 2005, 5:35 PM

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Would you do anything at all to the comminuted displaced pubic rami #s or
just reduce the pelvic displacement and put the exfix on?

thanks
rajesh

Mr.K.R.Rajesh,MS,DNB,FRCS,FRCS(Orth)
Consultant Upper Limb Surgeon,
Division of Upper Limb & Joint Replacement Surgery.
Cosmopolitan Hospital,
Trivandrum,Kerala,
India.
Mobile-9847350160

-----Original Message-----
From: ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org [mailto:ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org]On
Behalf Of T.I. George
Sent: 23 August 2005 22:30
To: ORT-L@www2.aaos.org
Subject: Re: [ORT-L] pelvic # with urethral injury


Rajesh,

If it was day 1, I would have tried to force my Urology colleague to avoid
a SPC and do a transurethral catheter and primary repair(not an easy task to
convince an urologist to do an emergency urethral repair when they are all
busy with elctive lists). Now with an SPC almost one week old, I think you
are forced to probably have only an ex fix and avoid a plate anteriorly.

Best of luck.

Dr T I George


On 8/23/05, Rajesh <rajesh84@asianetindia.com> wrote:
Hi,
I would greatly appreciate some advice.

25 yr old male who fell from a height 6 days ago and was treated in a
peripheral hospital initially has been transferred to our hospital
today.he
had a supra pubic catheter inserted for urethral injury on the day of
injury
but nothing else has been done so far.

He is stable at present.. His main injury is the vertically unstable
right
sided injury involving superior and inferior rami and a # through the
iliac
side of the sacro-iliac joint on the same side.He also has undisplaced
radial neck # on the riht side.No spine injury and no abdominal or
thoracic
injury.Long bones ok.

I will arrange for some CT as soon as possible.i am sending some xrays
.My
pelvic # surgical experience is limited to plating a few pubic rami #s
and a
few simple column #s while i was working with a pelvic # surgeon (about
3
yrs ago),so I could do with some advice as to what to do next.

Thanks for your input.

Mr.K.R.Rajesh,MS,DNB,FRCS,FRCS(Orth)
Consultant Upper Limb Surgeon,
Division of Upper Limb & Joint Replacement Surgery.
Cosmopolitan Hospital,
Trivandrum,Kerala,
India.
Mobile-9847350160







ti.george at gmail
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Aug 24, 2005, 3:58 AM

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Dear Rajesh
At the movement that seem to be the only answer to me.
Dr T I George


On 8/23/05, Rajesh <rajesh84@asianetindia.com> wrote:
>
> Would you do anything at all to the comminuted displaced pubic rami #s or
> just reduce the pelvic displacement and put the exfix on?
> thanks
> rajesh
>
> Mr.K.R.Rajesh,MS,DNB,FRCS,FRCS(Orth)
> Consultant Upper Limb Surgeon,
> Division of Upper Limb & Joint Replacement Surgery.
> Cosmopolitan Hospital,
> Trivandrum,Kerala,
> India.
> Mobile-9847350160
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org [mailto:ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org]*On
> Behalf Of *T.I. George
> *Sent:* 23 August 2005 22:30
> *To:* ORT-L@www2.aaos.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ORT-L] pelvic # with urethral injury
>
> Rajesh,
> If it was day 1, I would have tried to force my Urology colleague to
> avoid a SPC and do a transurethral catheter and primary repair(not an easy
> task to convince an urologist to do an emergency urethral repair when they
> are all busy with elctive lists). Now with an SPC almost one week old, I
> think you are forced to probably have only an ex fix and avoid a plate
> anteriorly.
> Best of luck.
> Dr T I George
>
> On 8/23/05, Rajesh <rajesh84@asianetindia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I would greatly appreciate some advice.
> >
> > 25 yr old male who fell from a height 6 days ago and was treated in a
> > peripheral hospital initially has been transferred to our hospital
> > today.he
> > had a supra pubic catheter inserted for urethral injury on the day of
> > injury
> > but nothing else has been done so far.
> >
> > He is stable at present.. His main injury is the vertically unstable
> > right
> > sided injury involving superior and inferior rami and a # through the
> > iliac
> > side of the sacro-iliac joint on the same side.He also has undisplaced
> > radial neck # on the riht side.No spine injury and no abdominal or
> > thoracic
> > injury.Long bones ok.
> >
> > I will arrange for some CT as soon as possible.i am sending some xrays
> > .My
> > pelvic # surgical experience is limited to plating a few pubic rami #s
> > and a
> > few simple column #s while i was working with a pelvic # surgeon (about
> > 3
> > yrs ago),so I could do with some advice as to what to do next.
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Mr.K.R.Rajesh,MS,DNB,FRCS,FRCS(Orth)
> > Consultant Upper Limb Surgeon,
> > Division of Upper Limb & Joint Replacement Surgery.
> > Cosmopolitan Hospital,
> > Trivandrum,Kerala,
> > India.
> > Mobile-9847350160
> >
> >
> >
>


jjbrooksmd at gmail
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Aug 24, 2005, 12:34 PM

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If ex-fix with good anterior ring alignment I would still strongly
consider posterior fixation on the right. At the very least 2
percutaneous screws but preferably more (i.e., plating or a bar, etc)

I am in a similar situation as an upper extremity surgeon with
additional fellowship trauma training, and interest, but I don't do
much pelvic trauma and when something like this comes along I cringe,
look in the books and in the literature, and "bite the bullet".

Maybe Dr. Routt can comment?

Great case, thank you Mr. Rajesh

Jeff Brooks, Stamford, CT

On 8/24/05, T.I. George <ti.george@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Rajesh
>
> At the movement that seem to be the only answer to me.
>
>
> Dr T I George
>
>
>
>
> On 8/23/05, Rajesh <rajesh84@asianetindia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Would you do anything at all to the comminuted displaced pubic rami #s or
> just reduce the pelvic displacement and put the exfix on?
> >
> > thanks
> > rajesh
> >
> >
> > Mr.K.R.Rajesh,MS,DNB,FRCS,FRCS(Orth)
> > Consultant Upper Limb Surgeon,
> > Division of Upper Limb & Joint Replacement Surgery.
> > Cosmopolitan Hospital,
> > Trivandrum,Kerala,
> > India.
> > Mobile-9847350160
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org [mailto:ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org]On
> Behalf Of T.I. George
> > Sent: 23 August 2005 22:30
> > To: ORT-L@www2.aaos.org
> > Subject: Re: [ORT-L] pelvic # with urethral injury
> >
> >
> > Rajesh,
> >
> > If it was day 1, I would have tried to force my Urology colleague to avoid
> a SPC and do a transurethral catheter and primary repair(not an easy task to
> convince an urologist to do an emergency urethral repair when they are all
> busy with elctive lists). Now with an SPC almost one week old, I think you
> are forced to probably have only an ex fix and avoid a plate anteriorly.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> > Dr T I George
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/05, Rajesh <rajesh84@asianetindia.com > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I would greatly appreciate some advice.
> > >
> > > 25 yr old male who fell from a height 6 days ago and was treated in a
> > > peripheral hospital initially has been transferred to our hospital
> today.he
> > > had a supra pubic catheter inserted for urethral injury on the day of
> injury
> > > but nothing else has been done so far.
> > >
> > > He is stable at present.. His main injury is the vertically unstable
> right
> > > sided injury involving superior and inferior rami and a # through the
> iliac
> > > side of the sacro-iliac joint on the same side.He also has undisplaced
> > > radial neck # on the riht side.No spine injury and no abdominal or
> thoracic
> > > injury.Long bones ok.
> > >
> > > I will arrange for some CT as soon as possible.i am sending some xrays
> .My
> > > pelvic # surgical experience is limited to plating a few pubic rami #s
> and a
> > > few simple column #s while i was working with a pelvic # surgeon (about
> 3
> > > yrs ago),so I could do with some advice as to what to do next.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > > Mr.K.R.Rajesh,MS,DNB,FRCS,FRCS(Orth)
> > > Consultant Upper Limb Surgeon,
> > > Division of Upper Limb & Joint Replacement Surgery.
> > > Cosmopolitan Hospital,
> > > Trivandrum,Kerala,
> > > India.
> > > Mobile-9847350160
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


--
Jeffrey J. Brooks, MD
Orthopaedic Surgery & Sports Medicine Center
1290 Summer Street, #4400
Stamford, CT 06905
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