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[ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union

 

 


wdburman at frontiernet
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Aug 22, 2007, 10:53 AM

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[ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union Can't Post

Subject: Sacral nonunion
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:14:44 -0700
From: "Zamorano, David" <dzamoran@uci.edu>

Looking for advice.

This is a 48 yo non-smoking female s/p MCC 10 months ago. I do not
have the initial injury films. She underwent ORIF as shown on
attached file. She is having continued pain in low back/sacral
region. Worse with sitting and prolonged walking. Has had pain since
surgery. All of her wounds have healed uneventfully. Also has right
hip pain laterally. No groin pain. Not aggravated with ROM of the
hip. Infection work-up has been negative.

Any thoughts on the broken plate on the pelvic brim and the non-union
on the anterior column. Doesn't seem like she's have pain from there.

Suggestions on treatment of sacral nonunion.

Thanks
dave
_________________

David P. Zamorano, MD
Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
UCI Medical Center
(714) 456-7801 Office
(714) 456-7547 Fax
Attachments: sacral non-union.ppt (356 KB)


mlroutt at u
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Aug 23, 2007, 7:27 AM

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Re: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe remove the disengaged iliosacral screw first to see if she improves?

I can't see the axial CT images well enough to detail the potential sacral
issues....can you magnify them?

Chip








> Subject: Sacral nonunion
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:14:44 -0700
> From: "Zamorano, David" <dzamoran@uci.edu>
>
> Looking for advice.
>
> This is a 48 yo non-smoking female s/p MCC 10 months ago. I do not
> have the initial injury films. She underwent ORIF as shown on
> attached file. She is having continued pain in low back/sacral
> region. Worse with sitting and prolonged walking. Has had pain since
> surgery. All of her wounds have healed uneventfully. Also has right
> hip pain laterally. No groin pain. Not aggravated with ROM of the
> hip. Infection work-up has been negative.
>
> Any thoughts on the broken plate on the pelvic brim and the non-union
> on the anterior column. Doesn't seem like she's have pain from there.
>
> Suggestions on treatment of sacral nonunion.
>
> Thanks
> dave
> _________________
>
> David P. Zamorano, MD
> Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
> UCI Medical Center
> (714) 456-7801 Office
> (714) 456-7547 Fax

M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
Harborview Medical Center
325 Ninth Avenue
Box 359798
Seattle, WA 98104-2499
phone 206-731-3658
FAX 206-731-3227
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dzamoran at uci
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Aug 23, 2007, 9:19 AM

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RE: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is a magnified view. Sorry about the quality but the CT was scanned
into our system.
File is slightly large in order to preserve resolution

dave


________________________________________________________________________
____________________________

David P. Zamorano, MD
Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
UCI Medical Center
(714) 456-7801 Office
(714) 456-7547 Fax

-----Original Message-----
From: ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org [mailto:ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org] On
Behalf Of Chip Routt
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:28 AM
To: ORT-L@www2.aaos.org
Subject: Re: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union

Maybe remove the disengaged iliosacral screw first to see if she
improves?

I can't see the axial CT images well enough to detail the potential
sacral issues....can you magnify them?

Chip








> Subject: Sacral nonunion
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:14:44 -0700
> From: "Zamorano, David" <dzamoran@uci.edu>
>
> Looking for advice.
>
> This is a 48 yo non-smoking female s/p MCC 10 months ago. I do not
> have the initial injury films. She underwent ORIF as shown on
> attached file. She is having continued pain in low back/sacral region.

> Worse with sitting and prolonged walking. Has had pain since surgery.

> All of her wounds have healed uneventfully. Also has right hip pain
> laterally. No groin pain. Not aggravated with ROM of the hip.
> Infection work-up has been negative.
>
> Any thoughts on the broken plate on the pelvic brim and the non-union
> on the anterior column. Doesn't seem like she's have pain from there.
>
> Suggestions on treatment of sacral nonunion.
>
> Thanks
> dave
> _________________
>
> David P. Zamorano, MD
> Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
> UCI Medical Center
> (714) 456-7801 Office
> (714) 456-7547 Fax

M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
Harborview Medical Center
325 Ninth Avenue
Box 359798
Seattle, WA 98104-2499
phone 206-731-3658
FAX 206-731-3227
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Attachments: sacral non-union ct only.ppt (2.42 MB)


mlroutt at u
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Aug 23, 2007, 5:55 PM

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Re: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you...it might help to remove the disengaged and other iliosacral
screws then insert longer lag screws into the upper sacral segment and if
anatomically feasible into the second sacral segment as well.

You could do it percutaneously and even add an electrical stimulation device
if that seems reasonable.

At this point, I'd ignore the right pubic root issue if asymptomatic.

If simple measures such as those above fail, then you could remove it all,
take down the sacral fracture site, refix with alternate techniques, and
bone graft.

Chip






> Here is a magnified view. Sorry about the quality but the CT was scanned
> into our system.
> File is slightly large in order to preserve resolution
>
> dave
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ____________________________
>
> David P. Zamorano, MD
> Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
> UCI Medical Center
> (714) 456-7801 Office
> (714) 456-7547 Fax
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org [mailto:ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org] On
> Behalf Of Chip Routt
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:28 AM
> To: ORT-L@www2.aaos.org
> Subject: Re: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union
>
> Maybe remove the disengaged iliosacral screw first to see if she
> improves?
>
> I can't see the axial CT images well enough to detail the potential
> sacral issues....can you magnify them?
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Subject: Sacral nonunion
>> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:14:44 -0700
>> From: "Zamorano, David" <dzamoran@uci.edu>
>>
>> Looking for advice.
>>
>> This is a 48 yo non-smoking female s/p MCC 10 months ago. I do not
>> have the initial injury films. She underwent ORIF as shown on
>> attached file. She is having continued pain in low back/sacral region.
>
>> Worse with sitting and prolonged walking. Has had pain since surgery.
>
>> All of her wounds have healed uneventfully. Also has right hip pain
>> laterally. No groin pain. Not aggravated with ROM of the hip.
>> Infection work-up has been negative.
>>
>> Any thoughts on the broken plate on the pelvic brim and the non-union
>> on the anterior column. Doesn't seem like she's have pain from there.
>>
>> Suggestions on treatment of sacral nonunion.
>>
>> Thanks
>> dave
>> _________________
>>
>> David P. Zamorano, MD
>> Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
>> UCI Medical Center
>> (714) 456-7801 Office
>> (714) 456-7547 Fax
>
> M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
> Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
> Harborview Medical Center
> 325 Ninth Avenue
> Box 359798
> Seattle, WA 98104-2499
> phone 206-731-3658
> FAX 206-731-3227

M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
Harborview Medical Center
325 Ninth Avenue
Box 359798
Seattle, WA 98104-2499
phone 206-731-3658
FAX 206-731-3227
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wdburman at frontiernet
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Aug 23, 2007, 8:16 PM

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Re: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union [In reply to] Can't Post

How about trying to confirm that the sacral non-union is the source
of the low back/sacral pain with CT-guided selective injection(s) of
lidocaine with contrast into the pseudarthosis -- as mentioned by
Kyle Dickson (last post) in a previous OTA case discussion of pain
S/P pelvic injury.
i.e. http://www.hwbf.org/hwb/conf/alex47/pelinj.htm

Bill Burman, MD
HWB Foundation
http://www.hwbf.org

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>Thank you...it might help to remove the disengaged and other iliosacral
>screws then insert longer lag screws into the upper sacral segment and if
>anatomically feasible into the second sacral segment as well.
>
>You could do it percutaneously and even add an electrical stimulation device
>if that seems reasonable.
>
>At this point, I'd ignore the right pubic root issue if asymptomatic.
>
>If simple measures such as those above fail, then you could remove it all,
>take down the sacral fracture site, refix with alternate techniques, and
>bone graft.
>
>Chip
>
>
>> Here is a magnified view. Sorry about the quality but the CT was scanned
>> into our system.
>> File is slightly large in order to preserve resolution
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ____________________________
>>
>> David P. Zamorano, MD
>> Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
>> UCI Medical Center
>> (714) 456-7801 Office
>> (714) 456-7547 Fax
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org [mailto:ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chip Routt
>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:28 AM
>> To: ORT-L@www2.aaos.org
>> Subject: Re: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union
>>
>> Maybe remove the disengaged iliosacral screw first to see if she
>> improves?
>>
>> I can't see the axial CT images well enough to detail the potential
>> sacral issues....can you magnify them?
>>
> > Chip


> >> Subject: Sacral nonunion
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:14:44 -0700
>>> From: "Zamorano, David" <dzamoran@uci.edu>
>>>
>>> Looking for advice.
>>>
>>> This is a 48 yo non-smoking female s/p MCC 10 months ago. I do not
>>> have the initial injury films. She underwent ORIF as shown on
> >> attached file. She is having continued pain in low back/sacral region.
>>
>>> Worse with sitting and prolonged walking. Has had pain since surgery.
>>
>>> All of her wounds have healed uneventfully. Also has right hip pain
>>> laterally. No groin pain. Not aggravated with ROM of the hip.
>>> Infection work-up has been negative.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on the broken plate on the pelvic brim and the non-union
>>> on the anterior column. Doesn't seem like she's have pain from there.
>>>
>>> Suggestions on treatment of sacral nonunion.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> dave
>>> _________________
>>>
>>> David P. Zamorano, MD
>>> Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
>>> UCI Medical Center
>>> (714) 456-7801 Office
>>> (714) 456-7547 Fax
>>
>> M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
>> Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
>> Harborview Medical Center
>> 325 Ninth Avenue
>> Box 359798
>> Seattle, WA 98104-2499
>> phone 206-731-3658
>> FAX 206-731-3227
>
>M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
>Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
>Harborview Medical Center
>325 Ninth Avenue
>Box 359798
>Seattle, WA 98104-2499
>phone 206-731-3658
>FAX 206-731-3227
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>
>
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mlroutt at u
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Aug 23, 2007, 8:38 PM

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Re: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union [In reply to] Can't Post

I have no experience with such injections.

Attempting to infuse lidocaine or other liquid substance into the dense
fibrous tissue of a sacral nonunion, especially the sacral body, seems
curious.

Chip






> How about trying to confirm that the sacral non-union is the source
> of the low back/sacral pain with CT-guided selective injection(s) of
> lidocaine with contrast into the pseudarthosis -- as mentioned by
> Kyle Dickson (last post) in a previous OTA case discussion of pain
> S/P pelvic injury.
> i.e. http://www.hwbf.org/hwb/conf/alex47/pelinj.htm
>
> Bill Burman, MD
> HWB Foundation
> http://www.hwbf.org
>
> -----------------------
>
>> Thank you...it might help to remove the disengaged and other iliosacral
>> screws then insert longer lag screws into the upper sacral segment and if
>> anatomically feasible into the second sacral segment as well.
>>
>> You could do it percutaneously and even add an electrical stimulation device
>> if that seems reasonable.
>>
>> At this point, I'd ignore the right pubic root issue if asymptomatic.
>>
>> If simple measures such as those above fail, then you could remove it all,
>> take down the sacral fracture site, refix with alternate techniques, and
>> bone graft.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>> Here is a magnified view. Sorry about the quality but the CT was scanned
>>> into our system.
>>> File is slightly large in order to preserve resolution
>>>
>>> dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> ____________________________
>>>
>>> David P. Zamorano, MD
>>> Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
>>> UCI Medical Center
>>> (714) 456-7801 Office
>>> (714) 456-7547 Fax
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org [mailto:ORT-L-owner@www2.aaos.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Chip Routt
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:28 AM
>>> To: ORT-L@www2.aaos.org
>>> Subject: Re: [ORT-L] Sacral Non-Union
>>>
>>> Maybe remove the disengaged iliosacral screw first to see if she
>>> improves?
>>>
>>> I can't see the axial CT images well enough to detail the potential
>>> sacral issues....can you magnify them?
>>>
>>> Chip
>
>
>>>> Subject: Sacral nonunion
>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:14:44 -0700
>>>> From: "Zamorano, David" <dzamoran@uci.edu>
>>>>
>>>> Looking for advice.
>>>>
>>>> This is a 48 yo non-smoking female s/p MCC 10 months ago. I do not
>>>> have the initial injury films. She underwent ORIF as shown on
>>>> attached file. She is having continued pain in low back/sacral region.
>>>
>>>> Worse with sitting and prolonged walking. Has had pain since surgery.
>>>
>>>> All of her wounds have healed uneventfully. Also has right hip pain
>>>> laterally. No groin pain. Not aggravated with ROM of the hip.
>>>> Infection work-up has been negative.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on the broken plate on the pelvic brim and the non-union
>>>> on the anterior column. Doesn't seem like she's have pain from there.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions on treatment of sacral nonunion.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> dave
>>>> _________________
>>>>
>>>> David P. Zamorano, MD
>>>> Director, Orthopaedic Trauma Service
>>>> UCI Medical Center
>>>> (714) 456-7801 Office
>>>> (714) 456-7547 Fax
>>>
>>> M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
>>> Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
>>> Harborview Medical Center
>>> 325 Ninth Avenue
>>> Box 359798
>>> Seattle, WA 98104-2499
>>> phone 206-731-3658
>>> FAX 206-731-3227
>>
>> M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
>> Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
>> Harborview Medical Center
>> 325 Ninth Avenue
>> Box 359798
>> Seattle, WA 98104-2499
>> phone 206-731-3658
>> FAX 206-731-3227
>> --
>>
>>
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M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
Harborview Medical Center
325 Ninth Avenue
Box 359798
Seattle, WA 98104-2499
phone 206-731-3658
FAX 206-731-3227
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