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dipti.gupta at aurora
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Dec 12, 2007, 6:16 PM

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This is a 53 yo female with history of left radius and ulna midshaft fractures s/p internal fixation with intermedullary pin of both bones in 2002. The patient sustained a fall again 4 days ago with re-fracture at the ulnar midshaft (suspected non-union) and as well as the fracture of the intermedullary pin. The radius also re-fractured with bending of that pin. The forearm was reduced with good alignment of the radius. The question is what should be done with the ulna which is still displaced with the fracture of the pin. One of the problems is that the ulnar pin does not have a hook which can be used for retrieval. Given that the retrieval of this would be challenging, what should be done? I am attaching the pre- and post reduction x-rays for your perusal.
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phammo at netspace
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Dec 12, 2007, 11:01 PM

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I would take to OT and plate the ulna ( you should be able to slip
screws past the IM device if you can't remove it through the fracture
site) and assess the radial fracture stability. If these fractures
were ununited from 2002 you would have expected symptoms. Give simple
means a go at this stage with a view to possibly grafting later if
required.

Cheers

Peter Hamilton.


On 13/12/2007, at 1:16 PM, dipti.gupta@aurora.org wrote:

> This is a 53 yo female with history of left radius and ulna midshaft
> fractures s/p internal fixation with intermedullary pin of both
> bones in 2002. The patient sustained a fall again 4 days ago with re-
> fracture at the ulnar midshaft (suspected non-union) and as well as
> the fracture of the intermedullary pin. The radius also re-
> fractured with bending of that pin. The forearm was reduced with
> good alignment of the radius. The question is what should be done
> with the ulna which is still displaced with the fracture of the pin.
> One of the problems is that the ulnar pin does not have a hook which
> can be used for retrieval. Given that the retrieval of this would
> be challenging, what should be done? I am attaching the pre- and
> post reduction x-rays for your perusal.
> <post-reduction2><post-reduction1><Pre-reduction1><Pre-reduction2>



jjbrooksmd at gmail
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Dec 13, 2007, 5:14 AM

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My guess is 5 year-old nonunion of the ulna and united radius with fx
just distal to old callus.

I think the answer is to remove both IM nails (the radial one thru
distal insertion site, ulnar one by any creative means you can -
antegrade/retrograde tapping from inside-out from fx site?). I'd
reduce & anatomically fix the radius being sure to restore radial bow
& length if it wasn't done so by original IMN (probably wasn't). Ulna
should be treated as a nonunion with debridement/takedown, cultures,
bone graft [ICBG alone or maybe BMP flavor of the day, 7 or 2, with
allograft crutons] and rigid (>8 hole) plate fixation. Be sure to
assess the DRUJ after reduction of both bones, for stability as well
as for ulnar variance compared with other side.

Maybe a bone stimulator postop if available (EBI- elec or Exogen -
ultrasound), avoid smoking & NSAIDs. Work up for nutritional/
metabolic problems (vit d deficiency, Ca metabolism abnormalities, etc).

Please let us know what you do -- we all learn valuable pearls from
cases shared here the value of which increases exponentially when
followup is given!

Thanks.

Jeff

Jeffrey J. Brooks MD
Stamford, CT

On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:01 AM, Peter & Clare Hamilton wrote:

> I would take to OT and plate the ulna ( you should be able to slip
> screws past the IM device if you can't remove it through the
> fracture site) and assess the radial fracture stability. If these
> fractures were ununited from 2002 you would have expected symptoms.
> Give simple means a go at this stage with a view to possibly
> grafting later if required.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter Hamilton.
>
>
> On 13/12/2007, at 1:16 PM, dipti.gupta@aurora.org wrote:
>
>> This is a 53 yo female with history of left radius and ulna
>> midshaft fractures s/p internal fixation with intermedullary pin
>> of both bones in 2002. The patient sustained a fall again 4 days
>> ago with re-fracture at the ulnar midshaft (suspected non-union)
>> and as well as the fracture of the intermedullary pin. The radius
>> also re-fractured with bending of that pin. The forearm was
>> reduced with good alignment of the radius. The question is what
>> should be done with the ulna which is still displaced with the
>> fracture of the pin. One of the problems is that the ulnar pin
>> does not have a hook which can be used for retrieval. Given that
>> the retrieval of this would be challenging, what should be done? I
>> am attaching the pre- and post reduction x-rays for your perusal.
>> <post-reduction2><post-reduction1><Pre-reduction1><Pre-reduction2>
>



Gary.Jones at concordortho
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Dec 13, 2007, 5:29 AM

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I would open the fractures and plate. The ulnar pin will be reachable through the fracture site. Remove the radial pin and plate that as well. Important to get a lag screw or compression on each fracture.

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>>> <dipti.gupta@aurora.org> 12/12/2007 9:16 PM >>>


This is a 53 yo female with history of left radius and ulna midshaft fractures s/p internal fixation with intermedullary pin of both bones in 2002. The patient sustained a fall again 4 days ago with re-fracture at the ulnar midshaft (suspected non-union) and as well as the fracture of the intermedullary pin. The radius also re-fractured with bending of that pin. The forearm was reduced with good alignment of the radius. The question is what should be done with the ulna which is still displaced with the fracture of the pin. One of the problems is that the ulnar pin does not have a hook which can be used for retrieval. Given that the retrieval of this would be challenging, what should be done? I am attaching the pre- and post reduction x-rays for your perusal.


BMerk at nmff
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Dec 13, 2007, 5:35 AM

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I saw this patient in my office yesterday. She has a chronic atrophic
nonunion of the ulnar diaphysis which was, believe it or not, basically
asymptomatic. The previous radius fracture had healed with the unusual
primary treatment with excellent function and no pain until this fall a
few days ago. The current fracture of the radius is distal to the
previous fracture by approximately 2cm and is largely a simple
transverse pattern without comminution. She intially had >45degrees of
angulation of her forearm through the new fracture of the radius with
commensurate bending of the iM pin as well as thru the ulnar nonunion. I
trust that the fatigue failure of the ulnar pin is, again, chronic. She
was reduced by an orthopaedist in India and splinted. He did a great
job. The radius alignment is now basically anatomic and splinted by the
IM pin which is bowed but not broken. She is now in a LAC with post
cast xrays showing maintenance of excellent radial alignment and an ulna
which is chronically nonunited. I told the patient that the the only
advantage of surgery, as I see it, is earl motion vs 6 weeks in LAC. The
radius should heal and is held by the pin and should be OK as long as
the alignment is maintained. Again, the ulna was per history recognized
to have not healed and was, per the patient, asymptomatic. I also
reviewed with her the option of pin extraction, ORIF of the radius +/-
ORIF of the ulnar nonunion with intercalary autograft. Not unreasonably,
she declined.

Bradley R. Merk MD
Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery
Director of Orthopaedic Trauma
Feinberg School of Medicine
Northwestern University
675 North Saint Claire, #17-100
Chicago, IL 60611
(312) 695-6800, clinical office
(312) 926-4444, academic office
(312) 695-2736, voice mail
312-695-2771, fax


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This is a 53 yo female with history of left radius and ulna midshaft
fractures s/p internal fixation with intermedullary pin of both bones in
2002. The patient sustained a fall again 4 days ago with re-fracture at
the ulnar midshaft (suspected non-union) and as well as the fracture of
the intermedullary pin. The radius also re-fractured with bending of
that pin. The forearm was reduced with good alignment of the radius. The
question is what should be done with the ulna which is still displaced
with the fracture of the pin. One of the problems is that the ulnar pin
does not have a hook which can be used for retrieval. Given that the
retrieval of this would be challenging, what should be done? I am
attaching the pre- and post reduction x-rays for your perusal.



professor_eid at yahoo
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Dec 13, 2007, 11:12 AM

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dipti.gupta wrote:
This is a 53 yo female with history of left radius and ulna midshaft fractures s/p internal fixation with intermedullary pin of both bones in 2002.

Merk, Bradley wrote:
I saw this patient in my office yesterday. She has a chronic atrophic nonunion of the ulnar diaphysis which was, believe it or not, basically asymptomatic

Hello Friends
This is a new one, really. To imagine that a patient is treated by one list member in India. and then goes to USA to consult another list member. Just like you get consulted for a second opinion by a patient who was treated yesterday by your colleague across the street. The world indeed is becoming a small village. And it is yet another sign of the power of these lists: Orthopod, OTA, ..etc. This is both amusing and worrisome at the same time.
Best regards


Dr Abdelsalam EID M.D., AFSA (Paris V)
AO Fellow
Lecturer of Orthopedic Surgery
Faculty of Medicine, Zagazig University,
Egypt.
www.doctoreid.com

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Dec 15, 2007, 5:35 AM

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dipti.gupta wrote:

This is a 53 yo female with history of left radius and ulna midshaft
fractures s/p internal fixation with intermedullary pin of both bones in
2002.



Merk, Bradley wrote:

I saw this patient in my office yesterday. She has a chronic atrophic
nonunion of the ulnar diaphysis which was, believe it or not, basically
asymptomatic



Hello Friends

This is a new one, really. To imagine that a patient is treated by one list
member in India. and then goes to USA to consult another list member. Just
like you get consulted for a second opinion by a patient who was treated
yesterday by your colleague across the street. The world indeed is becoming
a small village. And it is yet another sign of the power of these lists:
Orthopod, OTA, ..etc. This is both amusing and worrisome at the same time.

Best regards



Dr Abdelsalam EID M.D., AFSA (Paris V)
AO Fellow
Lecturer of Orthopedic Surgery
Faculty of Medicine, Zagazig University,
Egypt.
www.doctoreid.com



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