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[ORT-L] 3 week-old posterior wall fracture

 

 


jjbrooksmd at gmail
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May 28, 2008, 3:55 PM

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QUESTION: would you fix this posterior wall or treat non-operatively??

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47 y.o. female in rollover MVA 3 weeks ago. initially missed this
displaced posterior wall L acetab Fx. walked on it a bit so hip is
proven-stable. but it's a big piece and it's displaced.

in this lady with some mild pre-existing hip OA would you be inclined
to ORIF at three weeks or leave it be?? i'm strongly leaning toward
the latter but interested in your esteemed opinions.

thanks in advance,

Jeff Brooks
Stamford, CT



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mlroutt at u
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May 28, 2008, 11:31 PM

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It'd be good to see more CT images and Judte obliques films.

Did she dislocate and require relocation by history?

If so, was there a dislocation film obtained before reduction?

Are there other known details?

chip




> QUESTION: would you fix this posterior wall or treat non-operatively??
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> 47 y.o. female in rollover MVA 3 weeks ago. initially missed this
> displaced posterior wall L acetab Fx. walked on it a bit so hip is
> proven-stable. but it's a big piece and it's displaced.
>
> in this lady with some mild pre-existing hip OA would you be inclined
> to ORIF at three weeks or leave it be?? i'm strongly leaning toward
> the latter but interested in your esteemed opinions.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Jeff Brooks
> Stamford, CT
>
>
>
>

M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
Harborview Medical Center
325 Ninth Avenue
Box 359798
Seattle, WA 98104-2499
phone 206-731-3658
FAX 206-731-3227
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jjbrooksmd at gmail
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May 29, 2008, 12:26 PM

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Thanks for the reply, Chip. Do not have Judet's digitized right now
but have included more CT cuts (see attached .ppt).

In brief, 47 y.o. female with no prior history of hip/groin/knee pain
in rollover MVA 19 days ago (5/10) c/o L hip pain in er but dc'd home
when ap pelvis xr "negative". on crutches TDWB but hard to walk
(obviously). saw my partner who got a CT scan showing the Fx then
referred to me.

Never was a dislocation by history or otherwise as far as I know.

She is a healthy nonsmoker, non-drinker on cholesterol meds. Works as
a cook at Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Your input is appreciated. I have her on schedule tomorrow for at
least an EUA under fluoro to test stability, proceeding as indicated.
Thoughts & advice welcome.

Thanks,

Jeff


Jeff Brooks
Stamford, CT



On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Chip Routt <mlroutt@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> It'd be good to see more CT images and Judte obliques films.
>
> Did she dislocate and require relocation by history?
>
> If so, was there a dislocation film obtained before reduction?
>
> Are there other known details?
>
> chip
>
>
>
>
>> QUESTION: would you fix this posterior wall or treat non-operatively??
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------
>>
>> 47 y.o. female in rollover MVA 3 weeks ago. initially missed this
>> displaced posterior wall L acetab Fx. walked on it a bit so hip is
>> proven-stable. but it's a big piece and it's displaced.
>>
>> in this lady with some mild pre-existing hip OA would you be inclined
>> to ORIF at three weeks or leave it be?? i'm strongly leaning toward
>> the latter but interested in your esteemed opinions.
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>>
>> Jeff Brooks
>> Stamford, CT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
> Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
> Harborview Medical Center
> 325 Ninth Avenue
> Box 359798
> Seattle, WA 98104-2499
> phone 206-731-3658
> FAX 206-731-3227
> --
>
>
>
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Jeffrey J. Brooks, MD
Orthopaedic Surgery & Sports Medicine Center
1290 Summer Street, #4400
Stamford, CT 06905
Attachments: Pt MM PW Tab Fx.ppt (387 KB)


mlroutt at u
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May 29, 2008, 1:36 PM

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Thanks.

The EUA with fluoroscopy is smart...and if unstable, I'd reduce and fix it.

But with no history of a dislocation and this pattern, it should be a stable
hip.

If it examines stable under anesthesia and fluoroscopy and it's 20 days
after injury, then I wouldn't operate on it.

chip




> Thanks for the reply, Chip. Do not have Judet's digitized right now
> but have included more CT cuts (see attached .ppt).
>
> In brief, 47 y.o. female with no prior history of hip/groin/knee pain
> in rollover MVA 19 days ago (5/10) c/o L hip pain in er but dc'd home
> when ap pelvis xr "negative". on crutches TDWB but hard to walk
> (obviously). saw my partner who got a CT scan showing the Fx then
> referred to me.
>
> Never was a dislocation by history or otherwise as far as I know.
>
> She is a healthy nonsmoker, non-drinker on cholesterol meds. Works as
> a cook at Kentucky Fried Chicken.
>
> Your input is appreciated. I have her on schedule tomorrow for at
> least an EUA under fluoro to test stability, proceeding as indicated.
> Thoughts & advice welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Brooks
> Stamford, CT
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Chip Routt <mlroutt@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>> It'd be good to see more CT images and Judte obliques films.
>>
>> Did she dislocate and require relocation by history?
>>
>> If so, was there a dislocation film obtained before reduction?
>>
>> Are there other known details?
>>
>> chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> QUESTION: would you fix this posterior wall or treat non-operatively??
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> 47 y.o. female in rollover MVA 3 weeks ago. initially missed this
>>> displaced posterior wall L acetab Fx. walked on it a bit so hip is
>>> proven-stable. but it's a big piece and it's displaced.
>>>
>>> in this lady with some mild pre-existing hip OA would you be inclined
>>> to ORIF at three weeks or leave it be?? i'm strongly leaning toward
>>> the latter but interested in your esteemed opinions.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Jeff Brooks
>>> Stamford, CT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
>> Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
>> Harborview Medical Center
>> 325 Ninth Avenue
>> Box 359798
>> Seattle, WA 98104-2499
>> phone 206-731-3658
>> FAX 206-731-3227
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
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>>
>>
>
>

M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
Harborview Medical Center
325 Ninth Avenue
Box 359798
Seattle, WA 98104-2499
phone 206-731-3658
FAX 206-731-3227
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mlroutt at u
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Jun 5, 2008, 6:04 AM

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What did you do?




> QUESTION: would you fix this posterior wall or treat non-operatively??
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> 47 y.o. female in rollover MVA 3 weeks ago. initially missed this
> displaced posterior wall L acetab Fx. walked on it a bit so hip is
> proven-stable. but it's a big piece and it's displaced.
>
> in this lady with some mild pre-existing hip OA would you be inclined
> to ORIF at three weeks or leave it be?? i'm strongly leaning toward
> the latter but interested in your esteemed opinions.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Jeff Brooks
> Stamford, CT
>
>
>
>

M.L. Chip Routt, Jr.,M.D.
Professor-Orthopedic Surgery
Harborview Medical Center
325 Ninth Avenue
Box 359798
Seattle, WA 98104-2499
phone 206-731-3658
FAX 206-731-3227
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jjbrooksmd at gmail
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Jun 5, 2008, 2:58 PM

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took her in on post injury day 20 for EUA under fluoroscopy. The hip
was stable throughout range of motion, so I left it as is. Thanks for
your input & advice. here is a saved image under posteriorly-directed
stress in internal rotation & adduction - sorry it's a .tiff (a mac
thing i guess)

Attachments: pastedGraphic.jpg (263 KB)

 
 
 


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